Nottingham derby

Nottingham derby
Flag of Nottinghamshire
Other namesTrentside derby
LocationEngland Nottingham
TeamsNottingham Forest, Notts County
First meetingNotts County 1–3 Nottingham Forest
1878–79 FA Cup
(16 November 1878)
Latest meetingNotts County 0-1 Nottingham Forest (Pre-Season Friendly)
StadiumsCity Ground
Meadow Lane
Statistics
Meetings total96
Most winsNottingham Forest (40)
All-time seriesNottingham Forest: 40
Draw: 27
Notts County: 30
Largest victoryNottingham Forest 5-0 Notts County
1900–01 First Division
(24 November 1900)
Nottingham Forest 5-0 Notts County
1953–54 Second Division
(10 October 1953)

The Nottingham derby is the name given to football matches contested between Nottingham Forest and Notts County.

History

The two clubs are amongst the oldest football clubs in the World. County were formed in 1862 and are the oldest professional association football club in the world. Forest were formed three years later by a group of men playing the now largely unknown sport of bandy.[1]

The first meeting between the two clubs was a friendly on 22 March 1866. The match was a 0–0 draw and was probably on the Forest Recreation Ground.[1]

The first competitive meeting in the FA Cup came on 16 November 1878 and resulted in a 3–1 victory for Nottingham Forest. The first league game occurred on 8 October 1892 and resulted in a 3–1 victory for Notts County.[1]

The last league Nottingham derby occurred on 12 February 1994 and resulted in a 2–1 victory for Notts County. Charlie Palmer (or 'Sir' Charlie Palmer as he has been dubbed by Notts County fans) scored with just four minutes remaining and only ninety seconds after Forest had equalised. The date, 12 February, is now known to local fans as Charlie Palmer Day.[2]

Comparative table positions of Nottingham Forest and Notts County in the English football league system

The rivalry was resurrected on 9 August 2011, when the clubs met in the first round of the Football League Cup at the City Ground, with Forest winning a penalty shootout after the match had ended 3–3.[3]

Aerial image of the two club's grounds

The two clubs rarely meet as they are in different tiers of the league system and supporters generally view other regional clubs as more prominent rivals. However, recent years have seen incidents of trouble between supporters. In 2007, a 'friendly' match between the clubs saw violence erupt after the final whistle.[4] And in 2017, several followers of both sides were convicted of taking part in a prearranged mass brawl in a pub in Nottingham.[5] Another friendly match the previous summer also saw four arrests.[6] Trouble broke out once again at a pre-season 'friendly' in July 2022, with fighting between fans and stewards in the stands spilling on to the pitch.[7] The game ended in a 2–2 draw. The teams met again in July 2023 with Forest coming out 1-0 winners.

Statistics

The two clubs have met a total of 94 times in the League, FA Cup and League Cup. The two sides have contested games in a number of other competitions including the Nottinghamshire County Senior Cup and the Anglo-Italian Cup. The results and statistics from those games are not included below.[1]

Competition County wins Draws Forest wins County goals Forest goals
League 28 23 35 99 114
FA Cup 2 1 3 10 11
League Cup 0 1 1 3 7
Total 30 25 41 112 132

League

Notts County in the league at home

Date Venue Score Competition
8 October 1892 Trent Bridge
3–0
 First Division
9 October 1897 Trent Bridge
1–3
 First Division
8 October 1898 Trent Bridge
2–2
 First Division
11 November 1899 Trent Bridge
1–2
 First Division
26 December 1900 Trent Bridge
1–0
 First Division
16 November 1901 Trent Bridge
3–0
 First Division
26 December 1902 Trent Bridge
1–1
 First Division
28 November 1903 Trent Bridge
1–3
 First Division
25 March 1905 Trent Bridge
1–2
 First Division
4 November 1905 Trent Bridge
1–1
 First Division
4 April 1908 Trent Bridge
2–0
 First Division
21 November 1908 Trent Bridge
3–0
 First Division
8 January 1910 Trent Bridge
4–1
 First Division
3 September 1910 Meadow Lane
1–1
 First Division
25 December 1913 Meadow Lane
2–2
 Second Division
18 September 1920 Meadow Lane
2–0
 Second Division
5 November 1921 Meadow Lane
1–1
 Second Division
22 September 1923 Meadow Lane
2–1
 First Division
20 September 1924 Meadow Lane
0–0
 First Division
18 September 1926 Meadow Lane
1–2
 Second Division
22 February 1928 Meadow Lane
1–2
 Second Division
20 October 1928 Meadow Lane
1–1
 Second Division
4 January 1930 Meadow Lane
0–0
 Second Division
13 February 1932 Meadow Lane
2–6
 Second Division
8 October 1932 Meadow Lane
2–4
 Second Division
17 February 1934 Meadow Lane
1–0
 Second Division
29 September 1934 Meadow Lane
3–5
 Second Division
22 April 1950 Meadow Lane
2–0
 Third Division (South)
15 September 1951 Meadow Lane
2–2
 Second Division
30 August 1952 Meadow Lane
3–2
 Second Division
27 February 1954 Meadow Lane
1–1
 Second Division
12 February 1955 Meadow Lane
4–1
 Second Division
11 February 1956 Meadow Lane
1–3
 Second Division
20 October 1956 Meadow Lane
1–2
 Second Division
26 December 1974 Meadow Lane
0–1
 Second Division
25 March 1975 Meadow Lane
2–2
 Second Division
13 April 1976 Meadow Lane
0–0
 Second Division
9 April 1977 Meadow Lane
1–1
 Second Division
12 April 1982 Meadow Lane
1–2
 First Division
4 December 1982 Meadow Lane
3–2
 First Division
31 March 1984 Meadow Lane
0–0
 First Division
24 August 1991 Meadow Lane
0–4
 First Division
12 February 1994 Meadow Lane
2–1
 First Division (tier 2)

Nottingham Forest in the league at home

Date Venue Score Competition
25 February 1893 Trent Bridge
3–1
 First Division
4 September 1897 Trent Bridge
1–1
 First Division
4 February 1899 City Ground
0–0
 First Division
17 March 1900 City Ground
0–3
 First Division
24 November 1900 City Ground
5–0
 First Division
26 December 1901 City Ground
1–0
 First Division
15 November 1902 City Ground
0–0
 First Division
26 December 1903 City Ground
0–1
 First Division
26 November 1904 City Ground
2–1
 First Division
26 December 1905 City Ground
1–2
 First Division
7 December 1907 City Ground
2–0
 First Division
27 March 1909 City Ground
1–0
 First Division
4 September 1909 City Ground
2–1
 First Division
26 December 1910 City Ground
0–2
 First Division
31 December 1913 City Ground
1–0
 Second Division
11 September 1920 City Ground
1–0
 Second Division
14 November 1921 City Ground
0–0
 Second Division
29 September 1923 City Ground
1–0
 First Division
24 January 1925 City Ground
0–0
 First Division
5 February 1927 City Ground
2–0
 Second Division
17 September 1927 City Ground
2–1
 Second Division
2 March 1929 City Ground
1–2
 Second Division
7 September 1929 City Ground
1–1
 Second Division
3 October 1931 City Ground
2–1
 Second Division
18 February 1933 City Ground
3–0
 Second Division
7 October 1934 City Ground
2–0
 Second Division
9 February 1935 City Ground
2–3
 Second Division
3 December 1949 City Ground
1–2
 Third Division (South)
10 October 1953 City Ground
3–2
 Second Division
3 January 1953 City Ground
1–0
 Second Division
10 October 1953 City Ground
5–0
 Second Division
25 September 1954 City Ground
0–1
 Second Division
1 October 1955 City Ground
0–2
 Second Division
1 May 1957 City Ground
2–4
 Second Division
3 March 1974 City Ground
0–0
 Second Division
28 December 1974 City Ground
0–2
 Second Division
30 August 1975 City Ground
0–1
 Second Division
8 March 1977 City Ground
1–2
 Second Division
23 January 1982 City Ground
0–2
 First Division
23 April 1983 City Ground
2–1
 First Division
16 October 1983 City Ground
3–1
 First Division
11 January 1992 City Ground
1–1
 First Division
30 October 1993 City Ground
1–0
 First Division (tier 2)

Cup matches

Date Venue Matches Competition
Team 1 Score Team 2
16 November 1878 Trent Bridge Notts County
1–3
 Nottingham Forest FA Cup
8 November 1879 Trent Bridge Nottingham Forest
4–0
 Notts County FA Cup
1 December 1883 Trent Bridge Notts County
3–0
 Nottingham Forest FA Cup
26 November 1887 Trent Bridge Nottingham Forest
2–1
 Notts County FA Cup
24 February 1894 Trent Bridge Nottingham Forest
1–1
 Notts County FA Cup
3 March 1894 Trent Bridge Notts County
4–1
 Nottingham Forest FA Cup
25 October 1977 City Ground Nottingham Forest
4–0
 Notts County League Cup
9 August 2011 City Ground Nottingham Forest
3–3
(4–3 p)
 Notts County League Cup

References

  1. ^ a b c d Smales, Ken (2006). Nottingham Forest The Official Statistical History. Pineapple Books.
  2. ^ "12 February will always be 'Charlie Palmer Day'". 16 February 2013. Archived from the original on 10 July 2015.
  3. ^ "Nottingham Forest 3–3 Notts County (4–3 on penalties)". BBC Sport. 9 August 2011. Retrieved 20 October 2012.
  4. ^ "Fans face bans over pitch fights". BBC. 31 July 2007.
  5. ^ "Nottingham Forest and Notts County fans locked up over mass brawl in city pub". Nottingham Post. 27 April 2017. Archived from the original on 1 May 2017. Retrieved 3 May 2017.
  6. ^ "Four arrested at Forest v Notts County match". Nottingham Post. 23 July 2016. Archived from the original on 24 July 2016. Retrieved 3 May 2017.
  7. ^ "Video emerges of fans fighting with stewards at Notts County v Nottingham Forest". 27 July 2022.

External links

  • Violence mars 'friendly' match between city rivals
  • Nottingham derby head-to-head Archived 1 October 2007 at the Wayback Machine
  • British Pathé footage from a Nottingham derby, 1953
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