Lord Edward Thynne

English nobleman

Lord Edward Thynne (23 January 1807 – 4 February 1884)[1] was an English nobleman. After a short career as an army officer, he sat in the House of Commons for two periods, separated by 26 years, and opposed parliamentary reform on both occasions.

A duellist and philanderer who outlived his two wives, Thynne gambled away his own wealth and that of his first wife. In 1881, the aged Thynne was described by Vanity Fair magazine as a "hoary old reprobate".[2]

Early life

Thynne was the 8th child of Thomas Thynne, 2nd Marquess of Bath and Isabella Byng, daughter of the 4th Viscount Torrington. He was educated at Charterhouse and then matriculated in 1825 to Oriel College, Oxford. After graduating with a Bachelor of Arts degree in March 1828,[3] he was commissioned in April 1828 as a second lieutenant in the Duke of York's rifle corps.[4]

He retired from the British Army in June 1830[5] when he married Elizabeth Mellish, the heir to William Mellish a wealthy naval contractor.[1] The novelist Emily Eden described him in a letter at that time as "totally unlike all the Thynnes I ever saw—full of fun and dashes out everything that comes into his head".[6]

Career

At the 1831 general election his father bought him a seat as Member of Parliament (MP) for the rotten borough of Weobley, alongside his brother Lord Henry Frederick Thynne.[1] The borough was disenfranchised under the Reform Act 1832, which he and his brother had repeatedly voted against.[1]

Despite having been given £20,000 by his father when he married in 1830[7] (equivalent to £2,488,000 in 2023[8]), by 1832 Thynne's marriage and finances were in deep trouble. His wife was estranged from him, and he was repeatedly sued by his creditor Thomas Slingsby Duncombe;[1] in response he canvassed against Dubscombe at the Finsbury by-election in 1834, and at the following year's general election.[1]

In 1837, he fought a duel on Battersea Fields with a Mr. Passmore, over "a young lady". Each fired three shots without effect.[9]

In 1835 his father gave him a further £60,000 to clear his debts (equivalent to £7,463,000 in 2023[8]). However, after his father's death in 1837, his family cut him off, and by August of that year he was imprisoned for debt in the Queen's Bench Prison in Southwark.[10] Thynne and Dunscombe resolved their quarrel in November, triggering Thynne's release from prison and allowing him to avoid bankruptcy.[11] When Thynne was discharged from insolvency at the end of that month, the court was told that his debts were £221,059 (equivalent to £26.8 million in 2024[8]), which The Spectator described as an "enormous sum".[12]

After the death of Elizabeth's father, when his estate was reported at nearly £3 million[13] (equivalent to £364 million in 2024[8]), she unsuccessfully sued her family for more of her father's wealth (having been given £100,000 on her marriage, equivalent to £12,439,000 in 2023).[7] Her estate was worth only £3,000 when she died in 1849.[1]

Thynne married again in 1853, to Cecilia Gore, daughter of the novelist Catherine Gore.[1] As a girl, Cecilia had been famous for her wasp waist.[14] The historian Macaulay described the union in his memoirs as "the noosing of a young – or rather a defiant young flirt to an old roué".[15]

Thynne was a skilled marksman who in 1851 shot a golden eagle with a rifle at a hundred yards range, while deer stalking in Scotland as a guest of the Earl of Malmesbury. The killing of the 8.5 pounds (3.9 kg) bird was reported to be the only instance of a flying eagle being killed with a single ball.[16] He resumed his military career in 1855, when he was appointed as a cornet in the Wiltshire Yeomanry Cavalry.[17] In 1863, he was commissioned as a lieutenant in the 18th Somerset Volunteer Rifle Corps[18]

Return to Parliament

In July 1856, the Liberal MP Viscount Dungarvan succeeded to the peerage, triggering a by-election in July for his Commons seat in the borough of Frome in Somerset.[19] Thynne was one of three candidates nominated, and a poll was demanded, but Thynne later withdrew. The seat was won by the Liberal William George Boyle, a relative of Dungarvan's.[20][21][22]

The following year, at the 1857 general election, Thynne was nominated again, and this time did not withdraw. However, he polled poorly, coming third behind two Liberal candidates. Boyle lost the seat to fellow Liberal Donald Nicoll.

At the 1859 general election Thynne was returned to the House of Commons after a 26-year absence.[19][23] Standing as an "anti-ballot conservative", he had defeated the sitting Nicoll by 194 votes to 147.[24] A petition was lodged against the result,[25] but subsequently withdrawn amidst a dispute about allegations that Nicoll had made improper use of Disraeli's name, a charge which Nicoll strenuously denied.[26] Thynne did not contest the 1865 election,[27] when Sir Henry Rawlinson regained the seat for the Liberals.[19]

Some time in 1872, Thynne called at the London home of the 5th Marquess Townshend, and eloped to France with his wife Clementina (née Duff). Clementina, who was 16 years Townshend's junior and 40 years younger than Thynne,[2] had been neglected by her philanthropist husband, and was described as "more than willing" to escape. Her husband had to wait 9 years for his revenge.[2]

At the Salisbury Petty Sessions in May 1881, Thynne described how he had been accosted by Lord Townshend and two accomplices on the road between Laverstock and Salisbury. A Colonel Nepean held the pony's head while Townshend struck him several times with the handle of a horse whip. Thynne acknowledged having eloped with Lady Townshend in 1872, but noted that the Marquis had never sued for divorce, and alleged that Lord Macduff had attacked him over the same matter while he was abroad.[28]

Townshend was convicted of the assault, and sentenced to a fine of £500 or three months in prison. After some hours in jail, he reluctantly paid the fine, equivalent to £63,700 in 2024[8]. Townshend denounced the court, while Vanity Fair reported unnamed others as saying "the only regret is that he [Thynne] was not thrashed earlier and worse".[2]

In January 1884, Thynne fell ill with rheumatic gout. He died on 4 February 1884, at his home Laverstock, near Salisbury.[17] His wife Cecilia died in 1879. They had one child, a daughter: Mary Isabella Emma Thynne who died in 1906.[17]


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 Family tree summary for the Thynnes of Longleat from about 1500[29]
Ralph Botevile[30]
Thomas Thynne[30]William Thynne[30][31]
d. 1546
John Thynne of Longleat[32]
c. 1515–1580		Francis Thynne[31]
c. 1544–1608
John Thynneof Longleat[33]
1555–1604		Charles Thynne[34]
c. 1568–1652
Thomas Thynne of Longleat[35]
c. 1578–1639
Baronet of Caus Castle, of Kempsford in the County of Gloucester, 1641
James of Longleat[36]
1605–1670		Thomas of Richmond[37]
d. 1669		Henry Frederick Thynne
1615–1680
1st Baronet of Kempsford
Baron Thynne, 1680
Viscount Weymouth, 1682
Thomas of Longleat,[38]
1648–1682		Thomas Thynne[39]
1640–1714
inherited Longleat, 1682
1st Viscount Weymouth and Baron Thynne,
2nd Baronet of Kempsford		James Thynne of Buckland
d. 1709		Henry Thynne Frederick
d. 1705
unmarried
Henry Thynne[40]
1675–1708		Thomas Thynne d. 1710
two daughters but no sons
Thomas Thynne[41]
1710–1751
2nd Viscount Weymouth and Baron Thynne,
3rd Baronet of Kempsford
Marquess of Bath, 1789Baron Carteret (2nd creation), 1784
Thomas Thynne[42]
1734–1796
1st Marquess of Bath,
3rd Viscount Weymouth and Baron Thynne,
4th Baronet of Kempsford		Henry Carteret[43]
1735–1826
1st Baron Carteret
Thomas Thynne[44]
1765–1837
2nd Marquess of Bath,
4th Viscount Weymouth and Baron Thynne,
5th Baronet of Kempsford		George Thynne
1770–1838
2nd Baron Carteret		John Thynne
1772–1849
3rd Baron Carteret
Baron Carteret extinct, 1849
Henry Thynne
[45]
1797–1837
3rd Marquess of Bath,
5th Viscount Weymouth and Baron Thynne,
6th Baronet of Kempsford		Edward Thynne
1807–1884		Lady Charlotte Anne Thynne
1811–1895
marr.: Walter Montagu Douglas Scott, Duke of Buccleuch and had issue.
John Thynne[46]
1831–1896
4th Marquess of Bath,
6th Viscount Weymouth and Baron Thynne,
7th Baronet of Kempsford		Henry Thynne
1832–1904
Thomas Thynne
1862–1946
5th Marquess of Bath,
7th Viscount Weymouth and Baron Thynne,
8th Baronet of Kempsford		Ulric Oliver Thynne
1871–1957
Henry Thynne
1905–1992
6th Marquess of Bath,
8th Viscount Weymouth and Baron Thynne,
9th Baronet of Kempsford
Thomas Timothy Thynne
1929–1930		Alexander George Thynn
1930–2020
7th Marquess of Bath,
9th Viscount Weymouth and Baron Thynne,
10th Baronet of Kempsford		Christopher John Thynne
1934–2017		Valentine Charles Thynne
1937–1979
Ceawlin Thynn
b. 1974
8th Marquess of Bath,
10th Viscount Weymouth and Baron Thynne,
11th Baronet of Kempsford		Lucien Henry Valentine Thynne
b. 1965
John Alexander Ladi Thynn
b. 2014
styled Viscount Weymouth

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Parliament of the United Kingdom
Preceded by
Lord Henry Thynne
Lord William Thynne
 Member of Parliament for Weobley
1831 – 1832
With: Lord Henry Thynne 		borough disenfranchised
Preceded by Member of Parliament for Frome
1859 – 1865 		Succeeded by